This interview was done over coffee at my house, I had a nice time. Although I did ramble on quite a bit. In some cases things that are not clear in the text were, I think, clarified in the moment by nuance or tone. Also PLEASE NOTE we talked this out at my kitchen table and the tapes were transcribed later (which is probably a pain in the neck). As a result there are a few transcription errors that make things hard to understand-- some errors are simply homonyms ('aloud' for 'allowed') and some are wild guesses. so if anything makes totally no sense, that might be why.